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		<title>By: booksmuggler &#187; Blog Archive &#187; mapping versus visualization</title>
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		<dc:creator>booksmuggler &#187; Blog Archive &#187; mapping versus visualization</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 12:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: applied visualization_reflexive space station &#187; Blog Archive &#187; mapping</title>
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		<dc:creator>applied visualization_reflexive space station &#187; Blog Archive &#187; mapping</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 16:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Christian Marc Schmidt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian Marc Schmidt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for a great comment! I agree with your point when considering mapping as a purely conceptual process, separate from any resulting form. In that sense, visualization could be considered the expression of a process of mapping. Mapping, in other words, does not imply representation. This definition, stemming from the field of computing or linguistics, seems to also be the way that Manovich understands the term.

The problem is that mapping has many definitions, and I am realizing now that I was thinking of it in cartographic terms. To me, the dilemma arises when mapping is intrinsically associated with an expression, which is when it begins to conceptually overlap with visualization. With that in mind, I was approaching the distinction between both terms at the level of the generic/superordinate (visualization) and the specific/subordinate (mapping).

That said, I actually find your argumentation much clearer. It helps to think of the relationship between the two terms as conceptual process vs. expression. (Though I don't quite agree with your comment on agency—I think it plays an important role precisely in the conceptual process, as the metaphoric “bridge” between two worlds. Any expression, of course, as you rightly point out, is equally subjective. But I would argue that agency begins with the cognitive model).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for a great comment! I agree with your point when considering mapping as a purely conceptual process, separate from any resulting form. In that sense, visualization could be considered the expression of a process of mapping. Mapping, in other words, does not imply representation. This definition, stemming from the field of computing or linguistics, seems to also be the way that Manovich understands the term.</p>
<p>The problem is that mapping has many definitions, and I am realizing now that I was thinking of it in cartographic terms. To me, the dilemma arises when mapping is intrinsically associated with an expression, which is when it begins to conceptually overlap with visualization. With that in mind, I was approaching the distinction between both terms at the level of the generic/superordinate (visualization) and the specific/subordinate (mapping).</p>
<p>That said, I actually find your argumentation much clearer. It helps to think of the relationship between the two terms as conceptual process vs. expression. (Though I don&#8217;t quite agree with your comment on agency—I think it plays an important role precisely in the conceptual process, as the metaphoric “bridge” between two worlds. Any expression, of course, as you rightly point out, is equally subjective. But I would argue that agency begins with the cognitive model).</p>
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		<title>By: Mircea Turcan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mircea Turcan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, most probably a question of semantics. I know you want to get a narrative out of it, hehe, but I am closer to Manovich on this one... To me, mapping, in a broader sense, involves the representation of an associative mental model: the building of a bridge between two worlds, one more easily understood (or more cognitive-ergonomic) than the other. Information visualization would be a subset of that. Sure, we can make it as romantic as we want, maybe throw a middle bridge-world in between for the fun of it, but my guess is that the "agency" would be exactly in the process of coding and decoding the map, and NOT in the association of data models. 

At an abstract level, probably everything could be mapped on anything if we're one level higher, and we could fantasize quite a lot over how this could be done and the semantics of it: however, one thing is clear to me - mapping processes should not lose the data being mapped... and I fear that, on occasions, the too creative "agency" destroys and endangers the core function of mapping, just to force a particular process on the human codec.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, most probably a question of semantics. I know you want to get a narrative out of it, hehe, but I am closer to Manovich on this one&#8230; To me, mapping, in a broader sense, involves the representation of an associative mental model: the building of a bridge between two worlds, one more easily understood (or more cognitive-ergonomic) than the other. Information visualization would be a subset of that. Sure, we can make it as romantic as we want, maybe throw a middle bridge-world in between for the fun of it, but my guess is that the &#8220;agency&#8221; would be exactly in the process of coding and decoding the map, and NOT in the association of data models. </p>
<p>At an abstract level, probably everything could be mapped on anything if we&#8217;re one level higher, and we could fantasize quite a lot over how this could be done and the semantics of it: however, one thing is clear to me - mapping processes should not lose the data being mapped&#8230; and I fear that, on occasions, the too creative &#8220;agency&#8221; destroys and endangers the core function of mapping, just to force a particular process on the human codec.</p>
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